Let's see where we stand

If you google with the arguments <+obama +"anti-semitism"> you get 906,000 answers. I just did.

Although it proves nothing I suggest it is enough to make an intelligent man curious. Not a brainwashed child, mind you, but an intelligent man? Yes.

TheKill, you have declared yourself a Zionist. And although we might work on a definition of the term, IMMO it is not out of the reasonable to assume it entails a certain level of sympathy for the State of Israel and it's survival. As that, and for what it may be worth, you can consider me a Zionist, too.

Of course, since the analisys of about a million sites might take us some time, I hope you don’t consider me too biased if I choose one subject as an example: the case of some Samantha Powers.

That The One is a liar and a cheat we know. This is one more example. During his campaing he gave Samantha Powers a job. They he fired her. Why? She’s an anti-Semite who suggested that America should militarily invade Israel to force a “solution” to the “palestinean problem”. He waited until he had been elected. And then he offered her the job again. A cheat and a liar and a Jew hater. The guys is simply a black nazi.

Here are some sites that deal with the case of Samantha Powers:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233304700825&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5XxXm8wPE

You can google yourself for her name and will find much more on the subject.

Let’s proceed now to His Obamarxism choice to head the National Intelligence Council, Chas Freeman. This guy’s an anti-Semite that also pretends that pisslims discovered America.

You can find information on him here:

Obama's Anti-Semitic, Anti-Israel, Pro China "Intelligence" Man
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2009/02/obamas_anti-sem.html

Obama’s New Spy Chief Publishes a Vicious Anti Israel Journal
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/02/obamas-proposed-spy-chief-publishes.html


Mayflower Muslime? What Obama’s Proposed Intelligence Chief is Teaching Your Children
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/02/mayflower-muslims-what-obamas-proposed.html

Now TheKill, one might pose that you would have to choose between your Zionism and your leg tingling delight at the mere mention of your “Leader”. Can you be a Zionist and so passionately love a black nazi Jew-hater?

Widespread Consensus: Obama Promotes Anti-Semitism, Anti-Catholicism, Racism, Hatred of Israel
http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=cubanosenmiami&message.id=44506

And TheKill, I would expect an answer, not a joke or a one liner as “the Leader this” or “the Leader that”. Let us see if we are going to talk like men or is this a children’s game. I want to really know your opinion.

This is propaganda. Joe Biden and Obama himself BOTH are staunch supporters of the state of Israel.

Man I have to admit, you are beginning to bore me.

Is that all you have to say?

Have you read those articles?

What's in there that's not true, point by point?

What, isn't S.Powers not an anti-Jew?

Isn't C.Freeman a first class Jew hater?

What?

How old are you, twelve?

What's this forum of yours about? A joke?

No it is not a joke, and if you do not like it, leave. You are as biased as anyone on thr right that i have ever met in my life. You are disrespectful as fuck to the President who WE, Americans overwhelmingly ELECTED, and all you post is the same bullshit about how you and your circle of pissed off neo-cons hate America today and the leaders that we ELECTED. I dont care if you post your shit on this forum at all.. Continue by all means... but if you want to knock the forum, then dont be a part of it.

and here you go Jorge



The latest round of smears on Barack Obama
is quickly being debunked, as Jewish groups are joining in to condemn
the right wing attempts to connect Obama with anti-Semitism. Richard Cohen repeated some of these claims in a column in The Washington Post. The
smears concentrate on relationships between Jeremiah A. Wright, the
pastor of Obama’s church, and Trumpet Magazine, a church newsletter, to
Louis Farrakhan. The attacks boil down to insinuating that Obama shares
views with Farrahkan because of support for Farrahkan by Wright and
the church newsletter. As even Cohen concedes in his column, “It’s
important to state right off that nothing in Obama’s record suggests he
harbors anti-Semitic views or agrees with Wright when it comes to
Farrakhan.”
Obama has previously made it clear that he does not agree with Wright’s anti-Semitic views, and repeated this today:

I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and
strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister
Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet Magazine made its own decision to
honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but
it is not a decision with which I agree.

One aspect of this smear campaign has been to translate the anti-Obama emails into Hebrew. Several Jewish organizations have condemned this attack in the following letter:

January 15, 2008
An Open Letter to the Jewish Community:
As leaders of the Jewish community, none of whose organizations will
endorse or oppose any candidate for President, we feel compelled to
speak out against certain rhetoric and tactics in the current campaign
that we find particularly abhorrent. Of particular concern, over the
past several weeks, many in our community have received hateful emails
that use falsehood and innuendo to mischaracterize Senator Barack
Obama’s religious beliefs and who he is as a person.
These tactics attempt to drive a wedge between our community and a
presidential candidate based on despicable and false attacks and
innuendo based on religion. We reject these efforts to manipulate
members of our community into supporting or opposing candidates.
Attempts of this sort to mislead and inflame voters should not be
part of our political discourse and should be rebuffed by all who
believe in our democracy. Jewish voters, like all voters, should
support whichever candidate they believe would make the best president.
We urge everyone to make that decision based on the factual records of
these candidates, and nothing less.
Sincerely,
William Daroff, Vice President, United Jewish Communities
Nathan J. Diament, Director, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America
Abraham Foxman, National Director, Anti-Defamation League
Richard S. Gordon, President, American Jewish Congress
David Harris, Executive Director, American Jewish Committee
Rabbi Marvin Hier, Dean, Simon Wiesenthal Center
Rabbi David Saperstein, Director, Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism
Phyllis Snyder, President, National Council of Jewish Women
Hadar Susskind, Washington Director, Jewish Council for Public Affairs

My opinion is simple... I quote and take President Obama for what HE SAYS about HIS stance on the issues!

Not what some pissed off asshole you read THINKS he fucking believes... OBAMA IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC. but go on, keep posting that right wing conspiracy-ridden bullshit.

oh yea, i havent seen an gun-related article lately from you jorge.... i mean HE IS going to take away our guns..... right???? cmon you are SLACKING you old hag.

If you believe in the cr@p you say, you are nuts.

If you don’t but go on saying it, you are evil.

In any case you sound like a mental case.

“Obama is a capitalist”. “Obama is a staunch supporter of Israel”.

And pigs fly.

OK, that’s it.

The fight for Freedom is too serious a matter to be left in the hands of children.

America is suffering from soul poisoning. Too many Americans have been brainwashed by the left.

I seriously doubt these current circumstances lend themselves to a peaceful solution. There’s only so much time and effort you can put in de-programming each libtard and there are simply not enough resources and there are just too many of them. And then there’s the matter of what to do with those that can’t be de-programmed.

I would love it if I could say “God help us”, really. We’ll just have to help ourselves.

I’ll keep on doing it.

But not here.

The best for all the good people here. May we meet again on the net. I’ll be honored.

Ah Jorge. You get your feathers ruffled and run off. Or is it that I am too "dumb, unintelligent" for you and your ilk? Man, I want to learn from people like that, should that be the case.. You are so open-minded and OBJECTIVE.... haha.

Jorge started crossing the line of disrespect towards you... but he could have been told that. Getting into a name calling contest is ridiculous. It is starting to occur to me that you may regret having started this forum in the first place. I'm not sure what you were expecting. No opposition? You stated that all was welcome here... now you tell Jorge to get the fuck out?

Many things said here were out of line. Your comments about old men, speaks volumes. Many of us are old men to you... therefore, we have seen a few presidents, we have seen a few wars, we have seen rights and freedoms destroyed, we watched the fall of the iron curtain and the communist Soviet machine, we lived through the fear of nuclear war, and we lived through a few recessions. We are twice as old as you and have acquired twice as much experience. We old men tend to argue over such things.

It's not like a debate in one of your college classes where other students are brain pounded by the same texts and same teachers. It is like we have witnessed first hand, because we have. We have learned that History is written by the victors and that all we have learned from books, may quite possibly be lies. We have seen the propoganda, we have seen the scandals, we have seen the cover-ups. We don't really expect you to fully understand that.

For the record... Jorge loves the US as do I... he has a sincere belief that people need to be informed about the loss of our freedoms. Countries around the world depend on the US, it's leaders, and it's economy to be on the up and up. Just because he disrespects Obama, DOES NOT mean he is disrespecting the US. Regardless of what you feel... the Sun and Moon does not rise and set on Obama. I didn't elect him, and quite frankly I have serious doubts about the true reasons he won the election.

You may quote and take Obama for what he says, or his stance on issues... but he HAS broken promises. Are you going to pretend he hasn't? I haven't seen you write anymore on gun control either... why? Because you learned that there are issues arising that we were promised would not arise? I cannot take a man for what he says... I will take him for what he does. Words are cheap.

I find it hard to believe that you have attacked Jorge in this manner... you have insulted his age, the fact that he is not a US citizen, and you have gone to many other threads and posted some silly taunting messages. This is not politics... this is flaming. If Jorge is not welcome here, then neither am I. I didn't realize that when you stated, "Politics? YES, you can discuss any and all political thought here. Free speech will not be limited in any way." that you were referring to US citizens only and with no opposition to your political opinions.

This is the reason that politics is not discussed on the JD. You allowed your feelings to get hurt and your personal feelings to get in the way. You and Jorge were going back and forth, he asked you some perfectly reasonable questions... if you could not answer without throwing a tantrum, then this site would have been best left to you and your friends.

I am sorry to anyone I have invited here... it was a crap shoot. I will try to fix this somehow, maybe I'll start another, or maybe I'll ask XRay if I can take over Monkey and just turn it into a simple forum where we can kick back. Jorge, of course you can post your rants there, but you probably won't get as much feedback as you received from CTX.

Sorry guys...

Holy Batshit

Things got heavy while I was out

I dont know what to say.
Perhaps we chill for 24 hrs and start over?? I dont know.

Somehow... somewhere... It'll all be OK!

Damn... I can't even write right.

Are you guys going to riot now?

PLEASE don't burn down the liquor stores.

but go ahead on the blockbusters.. I have some movies that are late right now..

Sorry man... I'm looting the liquor stores and leaving YOUR blockbuster alone.

This is BULLSHIT you two! Get back in here and bury the fucking hatchet. Show a little respect for each other and NO personal attacks. I cannot believe the two of you are going to let shit hang like this. We are all entitled to OUR opinions, and we CAN be mature about discussing them.

Im not mad. He crossed the line with personal attacks. He never apologized. I tolerate whatever he wants to say but he cannot ever see anything from the other side at all. Its always President Obama is a marxist, communist, hates American, blah blah blah... If he wants to talk shit about the forum then yes SoToo, he can leave. I have no hard feelings for him. I just thought he wouldnt mind hearing someone disagree with him... But then again, most conservatives do not like to hear differing opinions. I never told him to shut up or edited anything he posted. Its welcome here. If you are mad too SoToo, then I mean i hate to see you leave but hell man, I wont beg you to stay. We need to all act like grown men here. End of story. Instead of hearing something you dont like and running away.

He was just going back and forth with you, and yes he did cross the line, but only because you felt the need to answer every single post, and many times it was just with a smiley saying "bullshits", "Shit happens", or "GTFO". He asked you to discuss things with him man to man, not to post jokes.

He told you from the beginning that when you told him he was no longer welcome here, then he would leave.... and that is what you did and that is what he did. He did not mind you disagreeing with him... that is what an argument is, but when he posted something and you truly had nothing else to say, you pulled a one liner or a smiley. He merely wanted more substance than "Bullshit" and "Praise Obama"... and he was expecting it from you, because... hello... you fucking kept posting.

For somebody who wasn't mad... you sure as hell flew from post to post calling him a hag and such. I'm not mad either... I'm disgusted that two grown men cannot disagree without it turning to this shit. That is exactly why it is said that politics and religion are two things that shouldn't be talked about.

You say you wanted an apology, but you never confronted him rationally, before you went ballistic and went around posting the silly taunts. Whether you realize it or not... the line started being pushed after you posted the fucking smiley on his post that said GTFO. You are the fucking Admin... when you respond to a post with something like that, it carries weight behind it, especially for a foreigner that doesn't grasp the humor like you do.

At first, you were praising Socialism, Marxism, Communism... now your pissed because someone says these things about Obama? I would think you would be honored. I was even asked if this was a commie forum.

I can't even believe that you are going to make yourself out to be totally blameless in this whole situation. What you did was not acting like a grown man... a little more tact is expected from an Admin. No one was running away... he told you to tell him when he was unwelcome and you did.

I can't believe that you are so close-minded that you would slam him for being older, slam him for being a foreigner, slam him for being against Obama, and tell him to leave.... and say you did nothing wrong. I tried to solve the problem by telling both of you that you both were wrong... but hell no, TheKill ain't having none of that shit.

You wanted him to have some give and see things your way... but I never seen you have any give. You'd merely come back with "Interesting point" and leave it at that. Or... go on the JD and post some shit that went against the shit you were posting here.

I don't care for your tone with me either, so now you can go fuck yourself. There you go now Mr. Admin... you can have your fucking forum without the opposition.... hypocrite... you may now start your hymns to Obama.

I should have foreseen that this would be a mistake... y'all can still catch me on the JD and at the MFOMA for now.

Sorry to hear that SoToo. I thought we were friends but I guess not. My tone with you??? You just said go fuck yourself.... I dont think I have ever said anything like that... and for someone who was upset that "two grown men" cant disagree without shit hitting the fan, you surely seem to be uncool about it.

I know you are intelligent enough to realize, that you can very well tell a person to go fuck themselves, without telling them to go fuck themselves. What's being friends got to do with it... this shit destroys friendships. Jorge was also my friend, was I supposed to stand idly by while you and him shit on each other. I've got no hard feeling towards you... you're just young and can't seem to admit when you are wrong. How could you expect someone else to buy into your opinions? You're singing the same old tune over and over again too. Not much give with you. I was discussing shit like a man... you went ballistic like a child.

SoToo wrote:

I know you are intelligent enough to realize, that you can very well tell a person to go fuck themselves, without telling them to go fuck themselves. What's being friends got to do with it... this shit destroys friendships. Jorge was also my friend, was I supposed to stand idly by while you and him shit on each other. I've got no hard feeling towards you... you're just young and can't seem to admit when you are wrong. How could you expect someone else to buy into your opinions? You're singing the same old tune over and over again too. Not much give with you. I was discussing shit like a man... you went ballistic like a child.

Telling someone to go fuck themselves is not something that I tell anyone unless I really despise them. I dont talk to friends or acquaintances like that. Its rude.

Very rude...

Not having tact and telling me I could leave too was just as rude IMO...

You may be the Admin, but you assigned me as a Mod... someone has to mediate shit. If Jorge is not willing to apologize and work things out, THEN I believe he can go on his way. If you cannot apologize and work things out, THEN I can't very well tell you to leave your own site, but I can damn sure go. Dictatorship is not what I came here for. You cannot put down Jorge for standing for his beliefs and not listening to yours, when you do the same damn thing.

This is not a good start... shit already and members on the go?

I am sorry if I hurt you by saying go fuck yourself... I am crude and never pretended to be otherwise.... but I am fair.

Its cool. I assigned you as a mod because i know you were capable of doing the tasks. I dont care if Jorge wants to post whatever he does, that doesnt mean i have to agree with what he has to say.

Did you honestly think you could silence Jorge and I by banning us?

Did you honestly think nobody would find out that you banned us?

Why don't you label us as banned so everyone will know what you've done?

Why are you trying to make the other members believe we "ran away"?

Why do you keep inviting Jorge to post... when he has been banned?

I especially love this shit...

thekill wrote:

Its cool. I assigned you as a mod because i know you were capable of doing the tasks. I dont care if Jorge wants to post whatever he does, that doesnt mean i have to agree with what he has to say.

If it's so cool.... then why were we banned again?

Tell me again... how can Jorge post what he wants if he's been banned?

Nobody ever expected you to agree with anything... that's the thing about debating politics and having the freedom of expressing one's own opinions. Not that you could understand something as free and simple as that... due to the fact that you are acting like a pinko dictator. Propagate and then suppress the opposition... right? Way to go loser... you could have just manned up and done the right thing.

This is a real chicken shit stunt you've pulled here... "End of story".

SoToo


Oh yeah... go ahead and delete it to suppress the truth... I have a screen shot and page save anyway .

Jorge & SoToo been banned??

Yep... I thought we were on to something here, but I guess not.

Oh well. See ya'all in the funny papers...

huflung is full of shit. no one has been BANNED! NO ONE!